Marvel Phase 4 - Death of the MCU? #RogueTheory

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    With Marvel’s next slate of films and Disney+ shows announced at Comic Con, we theorize on the end of Marvel superhero movies as we know them! We’ll also talk about a REAL super hero - Tom Cruise. Rogue Theory is the show that invites guests to discuss what’s going on in the nerd world and geek out over what it could mean. Watch as Filup Molina, Erik Voss, Genetra Tull and Tara Erickson all go rogue!
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Daniel Murtaugh
Daniel Murtaugh

They’re not actually arguing about the death of the MCU. They’re talking about a tonal change in the direction of the movies moving forward. Now which one makes for a better, easier to understand title? Ease off the hate.

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Baidar- Canada
Baidar- Canada

VIRTUAL REALMS technically they grow a bigger audience as long as they are still superhero’s and not just people because they make the characters have depth instead of them ( like in the beginning of the MCU ) just being people with super powers

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Moon Knight
Moon Knight

Oh ok then I’m going to remove my dislikes

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Karlita TV
Karlita TV

@Jordan in the flesh if you get mislead by a title maybe you shouldn't keep watching the mcu because it's getting more complicated that it already is.

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Jordan in the flesh
Jordan in the flesh

They shouldn't have made the title misleading

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Jordan in the flesh
Jordan in the flesh

@VIRTUAL REALMS not at all what going to keep intrest in the mcu post endgame is getting risky and experimenting. I mean they have the biggest moive on the planet so they can afford to try some shit out

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Sora 4 Smash
Sora 4 Smash

Mcu is getting kinda stale for me tbh

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sarosh ENCORE
sarosh ENCORE

Phase 4 is good as for now, but not that Great. Thanks anyway. Also, Alternate timeline Thor will be going through the Dark World incidents right now, right? So, they'll surely turn aether into a stone or give it to collector?

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Anvar Nasriddinov-Bitson
Anvar Nasriddinov-Bitson

Spidey is out so yeah, mcu is gonna be dead by the next decade

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Agent Pool
Agent Pool

Endgame was the last real movie. Everything will be woke M-She-U now, future is female now that spiderman is gone.

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Fantallana
Fantallana

They made a good move, setting up Phase 4 to be a more experimental phase. They’re leaving the more obvious, direct sequels (like Black Panther 2, Captain Marvel 2, Gotg3, and the next Avengers film) for phase 5. Whatever stuff works, they’ll keep going with. Anything that doesn’t work will replaced with newcomers from Phase 4, like Jane Foster, Shang-Chi, Eternals, etc. Likewise, whatever doesn’t work from phase 4 would be left behind.

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Nick Grey
Nick Grey

Eleven is an awesome superhero.more awesome then.captain marvel.heyyyy

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Nick Grey
Nick Grey

Captain marvel story was ok,not good in my opinion of course.

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RaG3 BenZ
RaG3 BenZ

I absolutely love your videos I Watch your videos every second u upload, keep up the good work :)

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Nneka Enurah
Nneka Enurah

Love the diversity of the panel participants

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Pendragonz
Pendragonz

How are you not at like 10 mil yet?

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The Boxer
The Boxer

After Avengers Endgame, the next Spiderman movie, and Guardians of the Galaxy 3 the audiences will be done with Marvel Universe for awhile. You'll actually see a substantial drop after Endgame. Don't see these other Marvel characters being put to movies really pulling it off.

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Derrick Thurman
Derrick Thurman

22:35 “I didn’t fall into weird sand and get super powers” ...gold

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Belle Gaskin-Burr
Belle Gaskin-Burr

Stop saying 'Lady' Thor which is part of the problem. I don't mind that someone hasn't read the comics but if you're going to speak about the movies it helps if you've actually seen them. Do better.

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Kristin D
Kristin D

Link to you guests in the drop down!

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Clinton Watkins
Clinton Watkins

Phase 4 appears to be Disney double downing on PC culture. Other than Dr Strange I have no interest. I am crossing my fingers for Blade.

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Felipe Luz
Felipe Luz

51:22 where did that card go?

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SpyPie
SpyPie

I saw the title and immediatly assumed you meant the death of the marvel cinematic "universe" IE multiverse of madness paving way for Marvel Cinematic Multiverse

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halodude723
halodude723

I play alto saxxx

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Dylan Psinakis
Dylan Psinakis

Marvel is getting stronger. I think the Doctor Strange with Scarlet Witch will be a box office hit

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Jacob Williams
Jacob Williams

The movies have all the same tropes, their main difference is they are not linear in talking about it from previous movies

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Jacob Williams
Jacob Williams

Hasn’t Marvel as a rule been about finding a hero for everyone....I’m unclear what revelation we are having about Ph4 and what they are departing from in previous phases...it’s always been about linking someone with a hero and will continue to be

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Jacob Williams
Jacob Williams

Are we mincing words? They are, have been and will be super hero movies. Comics are no different than what these movies are...isn’t the only difference that they have breached the Trilogy padlock and have something to say ...like the comics It’s a hero arc, a story, about someone with super powers that overcomes odds or saves masses of people...how is that leaving anything

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denver drew
denver drew

Wokeness will be the death of the MCU

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CandaceJDwsn
CandaceJDwsn

Only if nerds like me die lol that's would be death of DC and Marvel

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maverickmic
maverickmic

Maybe the love has something to do with Enchantress, Thor & Jane. Perhaps Lady Sif is in the mix also

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Nicholas Sarate
Nicholas Sarate

Shorty in the yellow shirt didn’t know shit

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Dajuon Bowen
Dajuon Bowen

I didnt even read the title I just saw phase 4 and rockstar and wanted to see what they had to say. But phase 4 might be death who knows

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statesmanuel
statesmanuel

NO to Blade without snipes. NO to female Thor (Needs to be a plausible reason behind such a movie & there isn't one. Spend the time/money on another Hemsworth Thor movie). YES to an MCU Fantastic Four. YES to Dr.Strange movies. YES to Wanda movies. YES to Black Panther movie. MEH to Eternals movie. YES to Guardians of the Galaxy movies. YES to MCU Xmen, with new actors. YES to Black Widow movies. MEH to Shang-Chi, although I loved the original '70s comics, and have them all. YES to Antman and Wasp movies. HURL to Captain Marvel sequel...When you make a character too powerful, there is no interesting villain or story to tell. YES to Loki Movie. HELL NO to Luke Cage, Defenders, Elektra. And for Cthulhu's sake: FORGET ABOUT DOCTOR DOOM, YOU CAN'T MAKE A MASK LIKE HIS CINEMATICALLY INTERESTING OR ACCEPTABLE. The viewer invariably asks themselves: "If he's so awesomely clever, why can't he fix his own face". That's not great logic, just everyones gut reaction.

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Ian Schmitt
Ian Schmitt

A corporation is literally a group of people under 1 name, that's been precedent long before citizens United

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Voltaire 325
Voltaire 325

Natalie Portman Thor will be awful. If they ever release a she-Thor film without Hemsworth....it will flop

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Evz
Evz

Just wanted to thank you for the content you create and enhancing my viewing experience and fandom of the MCU. Your guys videos helped inspired me to go out and read comics, finding out my own information on all these characters and I thank you for that. The idea of a Blade movie with Mahershala Ali is something I'm so excited for I almost can't fathom it's happening and getting to see Nightmare in Doctor Strange 2 has me giddy. I agree with the hesitation on Thor Love and Thunder, bringing back Natalie Portman was a bit confusing as she reportedly didn't want to do any more MCU movies after Thor: The Dark World and she looked less than enthused to be at comic-con. Idk bringing back Taika Waititi and Tessa Thompson gives me faith, but bringing back Natalie as Jane just felt so dull and unnecessary. I think of Phase 4, Shang-Chi and The Eternals are going to be the sleepers in terms of how good they can be and their singular importance to the continued arc of the MCU. Amazing work as always guys!

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The Boxer
The Boxer

After Avengers Endgame, the next Spiderman movie, and Guardians of the Galaxy 3 the audiences will be done with Marvel Universe for awhile. You'll actually see a substantial drop after Endgame. Don't see these other Marvel characters being put to movies really pulling it off.

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Kim Shepherd
Kim Shepherd

Could the Jane Foster story plot just be a multiverse type story plot?

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Zaki Aslam
Zaki Aslam

Possible cosmic spiderman win in phase 4 final showdown somehow?!

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Awesome Bro365
Awesome Bro365

9:54 fewer origin stories? but thats like skipping over all the marvel films and only watching Avengers endgame, every film before the sequel is like a origin story to the sequel. So saying you do not want to see a origin story in the eternals movie is just stupid because its a film that we had not seen yet and we need to have a origin story for context so that we can understand whats going on.

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Awesome Bro365
Awesome Bro365

They better cancel blade. Blade was terrible the first time.

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Fitz Simmons
Fitz Simmons

Marvel has to say if the Netflix shows are MCU or not, cause now Copperhead is playing Blade and I wanna know if someone in casting fucked up or if they were intentionally ignoring it cause it doesn't matter.

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Mikey
Mikey

Pleaseeee make a video or talk about how they should make a hulk movie !

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Tony Basterrechea
Tony Basterrechea

Btw last comment. Chris Hemsworth does not like Brie Larson. No chemistry there.

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Tony Basterrechea
Tony Basterrechea

I do not want Jane as Thor. I do not want Jane period. Step backwards.

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Darth Prime
Darth Prime

You guys were saying my exact thoughts about Valkyrie being a better Thor and Jane being removed from recent memory, then awkwardly brought back to rule. Ragnarok is also in my top 5 of Marvel movies, so I’m trusting the plot will be great regardless of what we say

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Tony Basterrechea
Tony Basterrechea

Phase 4 sucks! Giant step backwards. No pushing story forward and a bunch of movies that have nothing to do with after endgame. Only good one is Dr Strange. Thor 4 i was excited for until they brought back Jane basically to take over Chris Hemsworth role as Thor and nobody wants that. Blade is pg13 so thats a joke. All i gotta say is Marvel thinks they can throw out anything and fans will eat it up, their ego is getting too big. They will never be able to recreate what they did before unless they spend the money on the actors for the long contracts and learn to losin up with all the secrecy and not filling in the talent on the story, scripts endings etc. Phase 4 SUCKS

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Matt O
Matt O

You guys talking about Thor clearly forgot in the current timeline aether is already outta Jane and Mjolnir is destroyed

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srameypr
srameypr

I think you are missing the boat on that next "Thor" movie. This is likely not all about Jane. This is probably about HIS dealing with his longevity vs. our mortality, and how Jane's cancer - and possible death in this movie, affect him.

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CountOrlok22
CountOrlok22

Okay, so let's talk genre for a second here, because superhero is a genre of itself, but it started off as a combination of other genres. Comic books are a medium that encompass all genres. Marvel makes comic books. So, yeah, the MCU should be about more than superheroes. We should have spy thrillers, action, adventure, fantasy, horror, science fiction, romance, tragedy, comedy, romantic comedy, etc.. And that does seem to be the direction they are going in, but will superheroes be absent in the MCU? Absolutely not. We may just be seeing them interact within the context of other genres as well as within their own. Phase One is almost entirely set within the superhero genre with a lot of action, a healthy dash of science fiction, and a bit of fantasy. Phase Two is much more grounded in suspense, science fiction, and crime. Phase Three really brought all of those aforementioned genres together while introducing epic fantasy, space opera, and Afrofuturism. Phase Four looks to introduce dark fantasy, horror, and then emphasize the spy thriller more. But superheroes will persist. They might just not be the central focus for Phase Four. They'll be back front and centre in upcoming phases though.

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C A
C A

Iron man and 9/11 were 7 years apart 😂😂😂

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NiightDJ
NiightDJ

@Professor Xavier They had come to terms with by the end of 2001

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Professor Xavier
Professor Xavier

The years inmediately after the event, US media was just mourning, asking why and looking for someone to blame. When Ironman was made, American media was in the process of coming to terms with what happened.

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ZixZax Zol
ZixZax Zol

I see it is time for DC to bounce BACK. Come on DC! #RIP Heath Ledger (joker) you are the best Cartoon Movie character ever

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Bodda News
Bodda News

I just realized, vision is not coming back for "Wanda Vision", he is gonna be an illusion created by Wanda's powers, Right????

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Pedro Morales
Pedro Morales

Whaaaaaat the death of the concept of a superhero. That is ridiculous. The concept of superheros will never die. Superheros come in all shapes and sizes. There are all kinds of superheros and we will always look for them, and praise them, follow them, want to be them, etc etc. Superheros will never die, look how long comics have been around.

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Pedro Morales
Pedro Morales

I think the TV shows is an excellent idea. I mean look at all the things you guys were saying you dont want to see in the movies like the long back stories or origin stories. What if those stories were done on the TV shows. Especially the origin stories. This would be excellent in my opinion. What do you guys think.

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Diego Coronel
Diego Coronel

You guys should get James A. Janisse from The Kill Count on here, that would be sick!

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Mushroom Mods Official
Mushroom Mods Official

Can someone PLEASE explain to me why people liked the captain marvel movie

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Snehil Shrey
Snehil Shrey

I don't go around asking why people liked that garbage ragnarok. Do the same. No one's forcing you to like. Others are allowed to like it douche bag.

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sippy
sippy

a change in tone and ideas is exactly what they need to keep it fresh

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chris howard
chris howard

thats why films like 'split' and 'mr glass' are so cool because they dont follow the typical origin story of traditional superheroes, its way more gritty, and sometimes theyre a hero and sometimes they do messed up things you dont agree with. but hey, deadpool will always be the best because he has qualities both good and bad that we can all relate to, or at least are thannkful we dont :)

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Shea Potter
Shea Potter

Clickbait! What the hell, guys! (Just kidding) I like what they're doing with phase 4. It feels like they're going into this whole other realm of movies... ("Magic," vampires..) Its not just aliens or some god level threat.. But something... Horrific.. Seaping in... Ending with a multiverse of madness, which opens up to Xmen, giving some space from that... Dont know if any of that makes sense... But I love it.. I'm excited for whats next! (Also redemption, hopefully, for the Mandarin character!)

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Ikem Okagbue
Ikem Okagbue

Great discussion guys. Keep up the good work.

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Matiar Shahri
Matiar Shahri

Breakdown watchmen trailer please 😔😔😔

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dylan Dorsey
dylan Dorsey

I know this has nothing to do with anything but Hawkeyes daughter is also at the diner with hulk coincidence I think not

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DrStrange YT
DrStrange YT

I just wana see a dr doom movie do him justice

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